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Wednesday, 22 July 2009

  • El dramatica. This actually happens pretty often, now...

    Anybody reading this specific blog is gonna know what this is about, so I'm skimping on the details. Pasta entails, and screen names are protected (though identities are obvious). I'll explain what's going on, but if you're reading, you should already know.

    This is the beginning of the experiment. For days, people have been talking how Calvin lies and talks about... everything. So, I'm going to try and see how long it takes for something that should be a 'secret' to get out.

    caligumente (2:53:47 AM): the girl that he used to like, just found out and was happy to hear it, but now he doesnt like her anymore and now there's a bunch of drama over who-told-who what
    caligumente (2:54:11 AM): and its been annoying me for the past few weeks but calvin is starting to turn into a habitual liar
    Protected (2:54:11 AM): WHOOOAA
    caligumente (2:54:16 AM): do you mind if i test something on you
    Protected (2:54:18 AM): omg, you guys are alumnis already
    caligumente (2:54:32 AM): im gonna say that i like you and see how long it takes for this to reach isaac and alvin
    caligumente (2:54:45 AM): with the 'dont tell anybody okay :P'
    Protected (2:54:51 AM): LOL

    Protected (2:55:33 AM): then that's fine
    Protected (2:55:35 AM): I dc
    caligumente (2:55:38 AM): okay, excellent
    Protected (2:55:41 AM): lol
    caligumente (2:55:48 AM): if he IMs you, log it and tell me
    Protected (2:55:57 AM): who, Calvin?
    caligumente (2:55:59 AM): yeah
    caligumente (2:56:02 AM): alvin bets < 1 week
    Protected (2:56:04 AM): he's not even on
    caligumente (2:56:06 AM): i bet < four days
    caligumente (2:56:07 AM): no, i know
    Protected (2:56:10 AM): wait
    caligumente (2:56:11 AM): but im planning on doing it when he is
    Protected (2:56:12 AM): hold on
    Protected (2:56:16 AM): explain this to me again
    Protected (2:56:30 AM): I thought you wanted to see how long it takes to get to ISaac and Alvin
    caligumente (2:56:34 AM): yes
    caligumente (2:56:37 AM): theyre playing along
    Protected (2:56:46 AM): OH
    caligumente (2:56:49 AM): im going to tell isaac/alvin what im doing, and theyll be like 'okay lulz'
    Protected (2:56:51 AM): how long it takes CALVIN to get to us
    caligumente (2:56:55 AM): yes!
    Protected (2:56:58 AM): ohhh okay
    caligumente (2:56:59 AM): brilliant, sally!


    So after the set-up, I found he was offline from AIM, which makes logging hard. But, there is Facebook, and the power of 'Prnt Scrn.' And, Microsoft Paint. The documentation of important points of our Facebook conversation have been covered and are captured in image format and will be accompanied with this post. But, onward...



    caligumente (5:22:57 AM): what time did calvin tell you?
    caligumente (5:23:00 AM): guess-timate
    Monkiednk (5:23:19 AM): like 11 or 12
    caligumente (5:23:24 AM): yesterday, in the evening
    caligumente (5:23:31 AM): what did he say?
    Monkiednk (5:24:21 AM): I told him that Nate liked Sally
    caligumente (5:24:29 AM): nate likes sally.
    Monkiednk (5:24:47 AM): and he asked me if I meant the sally that you likie
    Monkiednk (5:24:53 AM): like
    caligumente (5:25:04 AM): fail
    caligumente (5:25:10 AM): it took less than two days for him to say something, then

    That's a documented reference of what we'd talked about, getting out. And with any lack of secret-keeping, comes confrontation. It begins, and is separated into convenient, easy-to-read sections based on importance and sequence. Enjoy.

    caligumente (12:42:10 PM): uh
    caligumente (12:42:17 PM): did you tell anybody about the uh
    caligumente (12:42:18 PM): sally thing
    DoggyChewToy (12:45:24 PM): nope
    DoggyChewToy (12:45:31 PM): why?
    caligumente (12:46:00 PM): are you sure?
    DoggyChewToy (12:46:08 PM): yeah i dont think so

    That's four lies about the same subject in under three days. Two about not saying anything, and another two about actually saying something.

    caligumente (12:46:14 PM): awesome! because sam knos
    caligumente (12:46:16 PM): knows*
    DoggyChewToy (12:46:20 PM): seriously?
    DoggyChewToy (12:46:27 PM): wait, sam was talking about her yesterday night
    caligumente (12:46:31 PM): yup, he distinctly said you brought it up in casual conversation
    caligumente (12:46:37 PM): i went to carrows with him around 4 a.m.
    DoggyChewToy (12:46:51 PM): ooh, yeah sam was talking about how nathan was obsessed with her
    DoggyChewToy (12:47:06 PM): or something like that

    In an effort to ignore confrontation, we change the subject. I change it back and we come full circle to the bit about lying...

    caligumente (12:47:07 PM): you really should avoid telling people these things though
    caligumente (12:47:14 PM): since i made it up and all
    DoggyChewToy (12:47:23 PM): LOL
    caligumente (12:47:38 PM): but it took you less than two days to tell somebody! this is a new record
    DoggyChewToy (12:47:42 PM): i didnt think you were serious
    caligumente (12:48:47 PM): but you still told
    DoggyChewToy (12:48:53 PM): yeah, sorry

    Another lie.

    DoggyChewToy (12:49:17 PM): i knew you were not serious
    caligumente (12:49:31 PM): nope
    DoggyChewToy (12:49:31 PM): because who can actually like sally
    caligumente (12:49:36 PM): you wouldve brought that up if you thought that
    DoggyChewToy (12:49:43 PM): okay

    Another 'nother lie. This one is actually better, but still unbelievable.

    DoggyChewToy (12:51:00 PM): if you are just trying to be confrontational then i dont really want to talk to you
    caligumente (12:51:16 PM): if you are just trying to be dodgy then go for it
    DoggyChewToy (12:51:31 PM): yes, i am trying to be dodgy. Because i told sam
    caligumente (12:51:46 PM): yes, i am trying to be confrontational. Because i told you not to tell anybody, twice
    DoggyChewToy (12:52:03 PM): well what are you trying to get at
    caligumente (12:52:38 PM): probably that youre not trustworthy with, well, secrets
    DoggyChewToy (12:52:55 PM): thats fine, i think i know that

    The back and forth mocking and rhetorical question spamming begins.

    DoggyChewToy (12:53:12 PM): why, was sally in it
    caligumente (12:53:27 PM): yes
    DoggyChewToy (12:53:33 PM): if you are just going to fuck with me the same way you fuck with harry or something
    caligumente (12:53:36 PM): i doubt you told her though
    DoggyChewToy (12:53:42 PM): plz stop talking to me
    caligumente (12:53:50 PM): oh no, im not fucking with you
    caligumente (12:53:55 PM): what you do just says something about who YOU are
    caligumente (12:54:02 PM): people have already established that im an asshole
    DoggyChewToy (12:54:25 PM): are you trying to get people to establish that im a liar?
    caligumente (12:54:34 PM): are you not?
    DoggyChewToy (12:54:38 PM): i am a liar
    caligumente (12:54:43 PM): well, everybody is
    DoggyChewToy (12:54:45 PM): but are you trying to tell the world that
    DoggyChewToy (12:54:55 PM): or just sally
    DoggyChewToy (12:55:03 PM): because frankly, i dont give a shit about what sally thinks
    Given, Harry has a significantly better personality than you. Your character traits are usually not as malleable as how you control your actions, and lying -that's not an inherent characteristic. Neither is victimizing yourself.

    caligumente (2:32:46 PM): maybe if you talked less about how he loves yui he wouldnt paste to me
    DoggyChewToy (2:32:57 PM): thats acceptable
    DoggyChewToy (2:33:15 PM): is this just a result of your boredom?
    DoggyChewToy (2:33:26 PM): you just find conflict to keep you busy
    caligumente (2:33:55 PM): yeah, pretty much
    caligumente (2:34:06 PM): if i had some substantial motivation behind it, would that be better?
    DoggyChewToy (2:34:20 PM): yea, that would rationalize it a bit more
    DoggyChewToy (2:34:34 PM): but doing it for the giggles is fucked up
    caligumente (2:34:35 PM): but what am i rationalizing?
    caligumente (2:34:54 PM): considering the degrading way we all talk about certain people, i dont think you have any right to say that

    This all started because of his mouthing, not mine. I will admit that I am an asshole for taking enjoyment in this, but I enjoy drama just as much as the next person. Nobody'll like being part of it, but we all like reading about it.

    DoggyChewToy (2:36:07 PM): i dont want to sound like daniel, but i really dont want to associate with you
    DoggyChewToy (2:36:12 PM): if you are just going to find conflict to kill time
    DoggyChewToy (2:36:29 PM): if you dont like me, dont talk to me
    caligumente (2:37:18 PM): no, thats perfectly understandable
    caligumente (2:37:30 PM): if you talk trash about ME, though, at least do it to somebody who wont end up getting it out to me

    And this point'll be brought up later. While I was out eating lunch (Chinese food, which was not very good, at that) he had several conversations with people who were in on this -and his words will eventually be pasted in a little section below. Oddly, as soon as I leave, he goes and trash talks again, which vindicates my point.

    DoggyChewToy (2:38:08 PM): i dont talk trash about you for fun jeff
    DoggyChewToy (2:38:16 PM): i was just pissed off
    DoggyChewToy (2:38:20 PM): thats understandable
    caligumente (2:38:34 PM): no, but im not going to assume that this is the only time you've said something degrading about me
    caligumente (2:38:44 PM): the way you talk about everybody else makes that almost impossible
    DoggyChewToy (2:39:28 PM): thats fine to make that assumption
    DoggyChewToy (2:39:32 PM): i can see where its coming from

    DoggyChewToy (2:40:51 PM): okay, well are you done with fucking around with me
    DoggyChewToy (2:41:38 PM): i do not feel good being your entertainment for a sunday afternoon and now i know how people like harry would feel
    caligumente (2:41:57 PM): yes, unless you decide to keep telling people im an asshole
    DoggyChewToy (2:42:15 PM): nope, im not going to tell people you are an asshole
    Except that we mess childishly with Harry. He may not get as much respect as he should, but he doesn't commit actions that are worthy of disrespect.

    DoggyChewToy (2:42:33 PM): dont talk to me anymore, id appreciate that
    caligumente (2:42:43 PM): okay, then
    caligumente (2:42:57 PM): but its really not a figment of my boredom
    caligumente (2:43:10 PM): i wouldntve done it unless somebody else figured that i should
    DoggyChewToy (2:43:34 PM): and who was that, sally
    DoggyChewToy (2:43:39 PM): why does she want anything to do with me
    caligumente (2:43:43 PM): oh no, she doesnt care at all
    DoggyChewToy (2:43:46 PM): or isaac
    caligumente (2:43:46 PM): but she agreed to be the 'it'


    DoggyChewToy (2:44:30 PM): so you decided to be the person who would break it to me
    caligumente (2:45:03 PM): yes, because clearly nobody else enjoys confrontational things
    DoggyChewToy (2:45:46 PM): okay, well i do not like confrontational people.
    caligumente (2:45:56 PM): yeah, its better to talk trash behind peoples' backs
    DoggyChewToy (2:46:24 PM): yeah, but in this case im tired of talking behind your back
    caligumente (2:46:35 PM): which is what leads to confrontation, yes
    caligumente (2:46:43 PM): you'll find that people are tired of the same thing
    DoggyChewToy (2:47:04 PM): everybody is tired of confrontation
    DoggyChewToy (2:47:07 PM): except for you
    caligumente (2:47:12 PM): not really
    caligumente (2:47:14 PM): there are lulz to be had
    caligumente (2:47:30 PM): my point was that people dont like trash talking, which leads to confrontation
    DoggyChewToy (2:47:42 PM): yes, i get your point
    DoggyChewToy (2:48:15 PM): in either case, i dont want to associate with you anymore. If you are going to talk shit about me, just keep it with the people you normally talk shit about me to
    DoggyChewToy (2:48:21 PM): dont go and facebook note it

    His comments in regards to himself are becoming more and more victimizing. If foresight could prevent somebody from lying, or gossiping, or trash talking, think of all the wonders it could do for him! And that's the meat of the conversation.

    Here's a special section for comments relevant to this plot. And, well, comments he's made about me, which I'll post first (they're more exciting).

    DoggyChewToy (1:09:12 PM): oh
    DoggyChewToy (1:09:17 PM): goddammit, hes such an asshole
    DoggyChewToy (1:09:47 PM): seriously, its like hes trying to fuck with everybody
    DoggyChewToy (1:11:29 PM): fuck jeff.
    (1:26:04 PM) DoggyChewToy: so jeff was messing with me with that whole sally thing lol
    (1:27:46 PM) DoggyChewToy: yeah, i fuckin hate him now
    (1:28:25 PM) DoggyChewToy: i mean its just a figment of his boredom

    Another normal response. Just, written by somebody who is a figment of my boredom.
    And some more comments, about his responses, and some about why we started this entire dramatic debate. As usual, names are protected. These are, specifically logs that occurred before I even told him the 'secret.'

    Protected (2:41:34 AM): by the way jeff, lol
    Protected (2:41:42 AM): calvin must think i'm a fucking idiot
    Protected (2:42:42 AM): i know, he thinks im an idiot
    Protected (2:42:44 AM): but i just played along

    Protected (2:43:19 AM): thats not even
    Protected (2:43:20 AM): the worst of it
    Protected (2:43:32 AM): hes awful at keeping secrets
    Protected (2:43:40 AM): he tels something
    Protected (2:43:44 AM): if he gets lulz out of it.

    caligumente (2:55:08 AM): this is to sally:
    caligumente (2:55:09 AM):
    caligumente (2:54:32 AM): im gonna say that i like you and see how long it takes for this to reach isaac and alvin
    caligumente (2:54:45 AM): with the 'dont tell anybody okay :P'
    caligumente (2:55:12 AM): im going to try this on calvin
    Protected (2:55:19 AM): LOL
    Protected (2:55:28 AM): thats so funny
    Protected (2:55:29 AM): i'd sa
    Protected (2:55:33 AM): 1 week
    caligumente (2:56:22 AM): great...!
    caligumente (2:56:25 AM): im betting under four days
    Protected (2:56:31 AM): i think it depends
    Protected (2:56:35 AM): when he hangs out with isaac
    Protected (2:56:45 AM): i doint think calvin wiill tell me unless i see him in person
    caligumente (2:57:31 AM): you can coax it out of him, hes not clever or observant or anything

    Protected (2:59:20 AM): i'm more curious to see when he'll do it indepndently.
    caligumente (2:59:40 AM): i think the not being there in person might be a problem
    caligumente (2:59:44 AM): but he really is kind of a blabbermouth

    Protected (3:01:24 AM): he's really
    Protected (3:01:32 AM): really . really.
    Protected (3:01:34 AM): degrading
    caligumente (3:01:43 AM): yeah, pretty much
    Protected (3:02:05 AM): he has no respect

    Protected (3:24:20 AM): bullshit
    Protected (3:24:25 AM): calvins just talking out of his ass

    caligumente (12:19:08 AM): alvin, do try and associate with him so i can have my point proven
    Protected (12:24:50 AM): refuse
    Protected (12:24:55 AM): hes going to harass me about yui

    And here are the responses.

    Protected (3:25:53 PM): this kid should have sucked it up and admitted that he got called out and deserved it
    Protected (3:25:56 PM): instead of whining about it
    Protected (3:25:58 PM): OMG JEFF IS AN ASS
    Protected (3:26:07 PM): well maybe if you stopped being an ass, he wouldnt be an ass to you.
    Protected (3:26:42 PM): but i know that if i outright lied to you about something youd call me out on it

    Protected (3:26:55 PM): and id deserve it
    Protected (3:27:06 PM): i wouldnt go around like OMG THAT JEFF SUCKS BECAUSE HE CALLED ME OUT ON MY RIDICULOUS LIE


    Protected (3:27:57 PM): I DONT WANT TO BE FRIENDS ANYMORE NOW
    Protected (3:27:58 PM): CAUSE
    Protected (3:28:04 PM): YOU CALLED ME OUT ON IT


    Protected (12:33:23 AM): calvins an ass sometimes
    Protected (12:33:24 AM): lol


    Protected (12:39:38 AM): and yeah he does talk pretty degrading

    So there. Numerous opinions of him are up, and I don't think I need to write anything degrading of my own, aside from the natural effect of this post.

Monday, 06 October 2008

Thursday, 18 September 2008

  • 12:09 A.M. - Just got up from a nap. 

    Art.
    Yes, art. 
    And from an artist's viewpoint.

    If you have any appreciation of fine art or classical illustration, you'll notice two things about the art world.  Well, maybe it's one thing about two different subjects.  In fact, you'll probably know without any knowledge of art.  Guess what they are?  They're wildly popular right now and one of them is doubtfully going to be around forever (which, for some people, is a good thing). 

    Porn.
    Manga.

    Illustrators look down at porn artists and at manga artists.  Why?
    I do classical fine art and entertainment design-based illustration.  People are willing to pay incredulous amounts of money for pornography (and somebody has to be the one to create it), and manga's popularity is only increasing over time (though the amazingly low success rate discourages people from comic-book illustration).

    Art exists for two reasons in the commercial world:
    1.  To manipulate your audience's feelings into persuading them into action or purchase.
    2.  Commercialization and the creation of a representative set of appealing images as an advertisement (encompasses photography). 

    On the same token, art exists for two reasons in the individual's world:
    1.  As an opening for self-expression -in very much the same way as writing.
    2.  Commercialization -good art has high appeal, and highly appealing things net high profits -provided you make good art that is highly appealing.

    Meaning?
    Yes. 
    People have a set of beliefs, and they are centered around what is acceptable and unacceptable in the art world.  Being commissioned to create pornography or spending your art career creating a manga -is looked down upon.  Not only that, but you get negative publicity for either being the commissioner or the creator of given porn, and there is the recurring idea that manga is not worth a good illustrator's time. 

    If art is centered around making the audience feel a certain way, then why is porn disregarded as a form of art (or even more so, why is pornographic art disregarded entirely?)  Art was not purposefully created to communicate a certain theme -it affects the mind and psyche the same way writing and music does. 

    Feeling -the two similar aspects of commercial and personal art. 

    Manga is a combination of storytelling and illustration.  You have to know how to write and how to draw to create a good manga, and you have to be good at both of them to create a successful one.  There are an overwhelming majority of poor manga and comic-book illustrations out there, but the good ones that do make it, are good.

    Yes.
    So if you are an artist that dislikes porn or manga for its own sake, go fuck yourself (or go watch porn).  Because chances are, you probably wouldn't be able to create good porn or a linear, interesting manga.  Both of these require skill to pull off, which most artists, hugely, would not be able to do.  Grit your teeth and bear it, for the same way there are unappealing forms of pornography and poorly-drawn and pretentious manga, there are crude and unskilled artists who drive their work straight into the ground in showing off -and we could all use a little less of that.

    Kitsch is an entirely different subject matter.  It's the one art form that has no fans, so it has no room for discussion.  Skill?  Yes.  Ingenuity?  No.  A good artist has both.  Kitsch doesn't. 

Sunday, 07 September 2008

Friday, 29 August 2008

Caligumenthe

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    • Name: Jeff
    • Birthday: 12/24/1991
    • Gender: Male
    • Member Since: 11/10/2007

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